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Nagel, T. (1974). What is it like to be a bat? The Philosophical Review, 83(4), 435–450. 
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Resource type: Journal Article
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DOI: 10.2307/2183914
ID no. (ISBN etc.): 318108
BibTeX citation key: Nagel1974
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Categories: General
Keywords: Animals, Bats, Consciousness, Environment, Perception, Presence
Creators: Nagel
Publisher: Duke University Press
Collection: The Philosophical Review
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This is, at heart, an argument against physical reductionism of phenomena—that water can be reduced to H2O, that lightning is just an electrical discharge—providing an objective and exhaustive description, explanation, and understanding of the phenomenon. But, Nagal argues, this does not allow us to understand the relationship between the mind and the body. A bat, for example, would have a subjective experience of consciousness that we do not and could never comprehend simply because we lack the conceptual framework that comes from sensning the world as a bat: "Without consciousness the mind-body problem would be much less interesting. With consciousness it seems hopeless" (436).
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p.436   "Conscious experience is a widespread phenomenon. It occurs at many levels of animal life, though we cannot be sure of its presence in the simpler organisms, and it is very difficult to say in general what provides evidence of it [...] the fact that an organism has conscious experience at all means, basically, that there is something it is like to be that organism [...] fundamentally an organism has conscious mental states if and only if there is something that it is like to be that organism—something it is like for the organism."   Added by: Mark Grimshaw-Aagaard
Keywords:   Animals Environment Perception Presence Consciousness
p.438   "I have chosen bats instead of wasps or flounders because if one travels too far down the phylogenetic tree, people gradually shed their faith that there is experience there at all. Bats, although more closely related to us than those other species, nevertheless present a range of activity and a sensory apparatus so different from ours that the problem I want to pose is exceptionally vivid (though it certainly could be raised with other species)."   Added by: Mark Grimshaw-Aagaard
Keywords:   Animals Bats Consciousness Environment Perception Presence
p.439   "Our own experience provides the basic material for our imagination, whose range is therefore limited. It will not help to try to imagine that one has webbing on one's arms, which enables one to fly around at dusk and dawn catching insects in one's mouth; that one has very poor vision, and perceives the surrounding world by a system of reflected high-frequency sound signals; and that one spends the day hanging upside down by one's feet in an attic. In so far as I can imagine this (which is not very far), it tells me only what it would be like for me to behave as a bat behaves. But that is not the question. I want to know what it is like for a bat to be a bat. Yet if I try to imagine this, I am restricted to the resources of my own mind, and those resources are inadequate to the task"   Added by: Mark Grimshaw-Aagaard
Keywords:   Animals Bats Consciousness Environment Perception Presence
pp.440–441   "The fact that we cannot expect ever to accommodate in our language a detailed description of Martian or bat phenomenology should not lead us to dismiss as meaningless the claim that bats and Martians have experiences fully comparable in richness of detail to our own. It would be fine if someone were to develop concepts and a theory that enabled us to think about those things; but such an understanding may be permanently denied to us by the limits of our nature. And to deny the reality or logical significance of what we can never describe or understand is the crudest form of cognitive dissonance."   Added by: Mark Grimshaw-Aagaard
Keywords:   Animals Bats Consciousness Environment Perception Presence
p.441   "My realism about the subjective domain in all its forms implies a belief in the existence of facts beyond the reach of human concepts [...] But one might also believe that there are facts which could not ever be represented or comprehended by human beings, even if the species lasted forever—simply because our structure does not permit us to operate with concepts of the requisite type."   Added by: Mark Grimshaw-Aagaard
Keywords:   Animals Bats Consciousness Environment Perception Presence
p.444   Footnote 10 has this: "[W]hen I look at the "Mona Lisa," my visual experience has a certain quality, no trace of which is to be found by someone looking into my brain."   Added by: Mark Grimshaw-Aagaard
Keywords:   Animals Bats Consciousness Environment Perception Presence
p.447   "This explains the magical flavor of popular presentations of fundamental scientific discoveries, given out as propositions to which one must subscribe without really understanding them. For example, people are now told at an early age that all matter is really energy. But despite the fact that they know what "is" means, most of them never form a conception of what makes this claim true, because they lack the theoretical background."   Added by: Mark Grimshaw-Aagaard
Keywords:   Knowledge
p.447   "the status of physicalism is similar to that which the hypothesis that matter is energy would have had if uttered by a pre-Socratic philosopher. We do not have the beginnings of a conception of how it might be true"   Added by: Mark Grimshaw-Aagaard
Keywords:   Animals Bats Consciousness Environment Perception Presence
p.450   "it seems unlikely that any physical theory of mind can be contemplated until more thought has been given to the general problem of subjective and objective. Otherwise we cannot even pose the mind-body problem without sidestepping it."   Added by: Mark Grimshaw-Aagaard
Keywords:   Animals Bats Consciousness Environment Perception Presence
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